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Apple is a fashion company now. They’re a luxury goods maker. They make wonderful products, but they’re not really an engineering company anymore.

Lawrence Joseph Ellison

*Bloomberg* interview, 2014 · Checked on 4 March 2026
Apple is a fashion company now. They’re a luxury goods maker. They make wonderful products, but they’re not really an engineering company anymore.

Analysis

While Apple under Tim Cook *did* emphasize premium design, branding, and high-margin products (e.g., the iPhone 6, Apple Watch), the company remained heavily engineering-driven. In 2014, Apple led in semiconductor design (A-series chips), biometric security (Touch ID), and supply chain engineering. Ellison’s framing conflates *aesthetic prioritization* with a lack of engineering rigor, which misrepresents Apple’s operational reality. His point about luxury positioning was partially valid, but the dismissal of engineering was hyperbolic.

Background

Ellison’s remark reflected a broader debate about Apple’s identity post-Steve Jobs, as critics questioned whether the company’s focus on aesthetics and profitability came at the expense of groundbreaking innovation. However, Apple’s R&D spending grew steadily (e.g., $6B in 2014, up 39% YoY), and its vertical integration—like custom silicon—contradicted the 'not an engineering company' claim. Ellison, as Oracle’s CEO, had a competitive incentive to downplay Apple’s technical strengths.

Verdict summary

Larry Ellison’s 2014 claim that Apple was 'not really an engineering company anymore' oversimplifies Apple’s dual focus on design *and* engineering, ignoring its deep R&D investments and hardware/software innovations at the time.

Sources consulted

— Apple Inc. 10-K Filing (2014), U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission (R&D expenditures and engineering investments) - [SEC Archive](https://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/320193/000119312514419324/d783163d10k.htm)
— Bloomberg (2014), '*Larry Ellison Says Apple Is a Fashion Company Now*' - [Bloomberg](https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2014-10-01/ellison-says-apple-is-a-fashion-company-now-as-oracle-kicks-off)
— IEEE Spectrum (2015), '*How Apple’s A8 Chip Keeps It Ahead in Mobile Processing*' - [IEEE](https://spectrum.ieee.org/how-apples-a8-chip-keeps-it-ahead-in-mobile-processing)
— Harvard Business Review (2016), '*Apple’s Organizational Transformation: From Functional to Divisional?*’ - [HBR](https://hbr.org/2016/01/apples-organizational-transformation)
— The Verge (2014), '*Apple’s Touch ID: A Year of Fingerprint Security*' - [The Verge](https://www.theverge.com/2014/9/19/6326653/apple-touch-id-one-year-later)